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To begin, I'd like to call attention to the time period between September 26, 2013, and November 2, 2013 (38 days): Number of topics about RoT in VR clan discussion: 12 Number of Wilderness victories RoT has obtained: 14 Number of Wilderness victories VR has obtained: 0 Early in October, an old friend of mine who has been in VR for quite a while PMed me, disgruntled with what VR had become over the course of the summer. As he was no longer interested in remaining loyal to the "new VR", he decided to spy over the course of the month. Little did I know that many others in VR shared the same sentiments as him, as they displayed ever so nicely on their forums: 1) Activity problems & poor member quality 2) Jagex Cup 3) What do you miss the most/want to happen in VR? I'm sure many of your members miss the Wilderness. To summarize, VR members feel that their clan is lacking: A community Caring officials TS/IRC activity Better crash war strategies 4) Application Process 5) The DI Jagex Cup Fight 5B) The aftermath 6) Suggestions from a former RoT spy As much as VR keep try to save face with all of their public propaganda topics, it's good to know that in private, they realize something is very wrong with their clan. It's truly unfortunate how far they've fallen over the past month; I'd say I hope they could return to their former glory, but even their members know they're too far gone to ever do that.